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@verticity Would you add the ascobic acid in with kava/water/milk blender?
Or how would you use the a.a. - what would be the process?
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Kavalactones Extraction
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Or how would you use the a.a. - what would be the process?
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge
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@verticity - another question - is that all there is to this process? kava and ever clear in a bottle and shake? What would you use to filter it?
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One more question for the expert apparent in the room @verticity - so you know all this stuff about extraction - what do you use on a regular basis? Is all the other stuff - ever clear, ethanol, etc. worth the effort?
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On a regular basis, and always, actually, I use traditional preparation: kneading in water. I know about extraction because I studied chemistry in graduate school. So, in my opinion, no it is not worth the effort unless you want to extract semi-pure kavalactones for some reason, such as to make a vaping product. The extract products I have tried have actually been relatively weak compared to trad prep, probably because the whole root acts synergistically to give you the complete kava experience.
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No need to filter it, just let it settle for 24 hours, and siphon the liquid off the top.
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Prepare the kava as usual. Then add some ascorbic acid (I'm not sure how much), and shake it up. You could estimate how much you need with molar ratios. The reaction might work better if the liquid is hot. The reaction also might work too well, and destroy the kavain, instead of turning it into DHK, depending on conditions and how much AA you use, I really don't know. Ascorbic acid could, theoretically, also change methysticin into DHM, by the same mechanism of reducing the central double bond.
Sometimes I like to add some Crystal Light mix to my kava to help my flavor, about 1/2 tsp per cup of water. But one time I added Crystal Light Orange, which has a lot of ascorbic acid, and I noticed the kava dropped out of emulsion, as if some kind of chemical reaction had happened. I think this might be because kava root contains a natural emulsifying agent, which is like a long chain alcohol with a double bond in the middle, so the ascorbic acid may have been attacking that emusifying agent. (I can't find the paper about this since the True Kava Forum has been down...)
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If I had to take an educated guess, I would assume that the hot water prep idea would be more noble than using ethanol, but this guess with little evidence to back it up. If I had to dream up an ideal high extraction prep method, I would imagine a water soluble long chain polymer with numerous lactone moieties pendant with the proper partitioning for kavalactones. As the room temperature root was mixed in water with those polymers overnight in an oxygen and light free environment during sonication, the kavalactones would gradually be siphoned off from the root and preferentially partition into the polymers at near the relative proportions a the traditional prep, yet at extraction efficiencies over 50%. Then I would separate out the plymers from the root/starch/ water mixture. Lastly, I would isolate the kavalactones by some means like 34 F precipitation or CO2 extraction. Can that actually be done? Who knows?
Do you think tequila worms would be a good partitioning agent for kavalactones? just kidding, I think
Do you think tequila worms would be a good partitioning agent for kavalactones? just kidding, I think
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Wow. I never would have guessed it. Thanks.
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OMG. On a much smaller scale, I have seen so many red centipedes around the Outside of my house. They are crazy and cool. I heard their bite hurts.
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So @verticity are you saying mix powdered Root and Everclear, let it settle for 24 hours, then the liquid on top is going to look different. Siphon that off and consume or dispose of it?
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Holy Cow! So much knowledge! Completely unusable to me though, given my unwillingness to experiment.
In the psychoactive plant encyclopedia I read that you need to eat 3 big Tequila worms to get it's psychoactive effect I believe.
Does anybody have experience with this as I cannot find what the effect is.
@Mrbinx69 ?
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Yes. Similar to doing the acetone test, after it settles, there will be powder at the bottom, and probably yellow-colored liquid on top. Siphon off the liquid, which contains the dissolved kavalactones. Dispose of the powder at the bottom, which will be depleted of kavalactones. Then let the liquid evaporate, if you don't want to consume alcohol, to give extract, or if you don't mind drinking a little alcohol, you can consume it as a tincture. (If you do make a tincture, obviously the volume of alcohol should be extremely small so that it is not dangerous to drink with the kava, like a few drops per serving or something)
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I think that is just a myth that the worms in tequila have any psychoactive effect:In the psychoactive plant encyclopedia I read that you need to eat 3 Tequila worms to get it's psychoactive effect I believe.
Does anybody have experience with this as I cannot find what the effect is.
@Mrbinx69 ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/things-you-never-knew-about-tequila_n_5589092.html
The confusion apparently arose because tequila is called a 'mezcal' which just means a beverage made from agave plants--it is completely unrelated to the psychedelic 'mescaline.' The worm in question is actually the larvae of a moth that lives on agave plants.
You can buy ground up salted agave worms as 'Sal de Gusano' if you don't believe me and want to experiment.
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That reminds me of the old "getting high from frozen banana peels" meme. The 70s were a nutty time.
Yeah I doubt it has mescaline. Confusion arose since Tequila is made of the Mezcal plant and they sound similar.I think that is just a myth that the worms in tequila have any psychoactive effect:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/things-you-never-knew-about-tequila_n_5589092.html
The confusion apparently arose because tequila is called a 'mezcal' which just means a beverage made from agave plants--it is completely unrelated to the psychedelic 'mescaline.' The worm in question is actually the larvae of a moth that lives on agave plants.
You can buy ground up salted agave worms as 'Sal de Gusano' if you don't believe me and want to experiment.
Though apparently the worm is psychoactive whether psychedelic or not I have no idea cause people don't do that here. The worm hangs around the Mezcal plant and is why it is associated.
The article is basically saying Tequila is alcohol.
I think I will have to eat these damn things to know.
No wonder you need some tequila beforehand.
